Thanks for sharing your further thoughts, Open. (I did wait to see if there were others). I did feel that, for a new person on the site, that the question you pose (and not the ones I asked) was a little personally directed. I feel that 'what have you got to hide' is the rhetoric of the surveillance state - which I know, from posts and links on here, is not what you favour, so it surprised me.

There is a world of difference between God, whose complete knowledge of me, as my creator, is a comfort; I like that there's a loving being who wants to be known by me and walk with me and hold me in his palm. She wants me to be all that I am. She lets me choose the level of relationship I have with her and her spirit helpers, who wait for me to reach to them before intervening.

And then, the dark forces who are often referenced on here, and in the links you give, who wish to use health, energy and data to control us. They offer one way knowledge - them of us, not us of them; and they act in their own interests; to stifle and control. They act without my consent, and (they hope) knowledge. They use the knowledge they try to gain of me to gain control.

With any healthy relationship, it's about mutuality and choice: the opening up as trust and intimacy unfolds. That's why I mind corporate ones, and not loving spirits.

I found out that pubs and libraries in England are asking for names and contact details for contact tracing, which is appalling. It raises data protection issues, accountability issues, and I fear for what it will be used for. I can see a social credit system coming in via compliance and security guards, and I've other evidence that those who speak out and have unconventional and spiritual views are being ill-treated (eg with financial support being refused or withdrawn).

Hence it's so important to be aware of what's happening and to stand together and speak out, which is why I enjoy reading this site.

I enjoyed the crop circles. To me, one looked like a sunflower in a Tudor rose, and the other reminded me of the Natwest bank logo. Significant?

warmest wishes

Elspeth